The following scariness can be found here.
This is just a sampling of the list itself - not every post is here. One can only stomach so much. And no, no one could make this up - it was posted in a Yahoo group, making it published, public domain, including the author's free use of their own names. This is direct copy-and-paste work, and no changes have been made. The posts are still on Yahoo's servers as proof, no matter how hard they tried to delete the worst of the stuff. Fanasylum and several other reps for Perry have been notified, have full timestamped copies of the original posts, are aware of these folks, and are monitoring them. I hope they get help. Soon.
Meet John and Char. They 'hate' Steve, yet they constantly try and contact him. Char believes her kids are second cousins of Steve's, once removed. BFD, right? For some bizarre reason, she wants him to 'acknowledge' them, and her. In a fantastic and incredible bit of coincidence, she met and married John, who believes he used to work for Journey and was friends with Steve (sound familiar?). Char doesn't like it when people swear, but when you disagree with her, she develops Tourettes. Notice that John stepped in and saved a Journey concert with his Mad Skillz!1! And that his treatment of Steve 'shook him to the core'! And he has a strange amount of detail regarding a house Steve apparently used to live in. Stalker or real estate agent? Who knows. Both folks believe they have inside info of some sort. You be the judge. Oh, and 'Christopher O'Brien' is actually Eesha. How hilarious is this? Meet the Ultimate 'ites: this is where all the obsessed and mentally unbalanced end up, sooner or later. Crank up NIN's 'Starfuckers, Inc' before you read.
First off let me start by saying thank you to kelly. I got your e- mail it was very informative. Second here is my story. It all started along time ago. My hubbie knew Herbie Herbert and Neil Shone. He met Steve Perry first. John is my husbands name. John and Steve became good friends in college. John started spending more and more time with Steve and the group Journey during pratice sessions and get togethers. John got to know all the members pretty well. Because of my husbands electronic knowledge he was asked to do some sound mixing for Journey during practice sessions and a few live concerts in the bay area. Anyway as john became more and more involved Steve became more and more distant. To make a long story short this was all happing about the same time Steve was having trouble with the group. All at once Steve turned his back on everyone having anything to do with Journey including John. Unforturnatly John knew a lot of really personal and sensitive stuff about the group and Steve personaly. John became a serious liability. And there for Steve turned his back on John and denied ever knowing him. Anyway I became involved when John and I got together. This was at a time when John was trying to get answers from Steve as to why Steve was doing this to him and shutting him out. Well John never got any of those answers he was looking for. John was very hurt and angry and little did John know but at the time Steve was doing this to everyone having anything to do with Jounrey. We john and I moved in to Hanford California. Thats Steve Perrys home town. I met a women shortly after we settled in, her name was Johnny Mae Baker. She had known Steve Perry all his life. well she and I became friends and she would talk about Steve in his younger years. She also told me a lot of personal things about Steve Like his use of Street drugs and the alcoholism that runs in his family. Steve's father died from liver failure in 1998. Anyway I did some research into Steve's family background and found that his grandmothers name before she married his grandfather was Cardoza. She has the same last name as my two children. well needless to say I was very excited to have learned this news. I went about trying to find Steve Perry and find out who his lawyers were. I did not find his lawyers but found his aunt instead. Betty Danner(aka Betty perry) She was very helpfull at first and even stated that I look like the vierra side of their family. Well I thought for sure she could help me. Boy was I wrong she was the one who started Steve being paranoid about me. Well I had made contact with Steve's music attorney and had asked him to please forward a fax to Steve well I guess Steve got the fax but never responded so I kept trying to reach him. No one from his legal team bothered to give me a call and say hey Steve wants nothing to do with you or your claim so I kept trying to reach Steve. I found a address for Steve and took a ride to his house I left a note for him stating who I was and why I wanted to talk to him. Steve did not even read the note. there was intrapment by his towns police department and so on and so forth. I guess Steve felt that I was stalking him and there for needed the order to keep me away. the funny thing is that I stopped trying to contact him for almost two years I wanted to wait to contact him again this time I would have proof. I have had a geneologist do dna tests on both of my kids and he told me that there ia a 100% match to Steve's grandmother'sbloodtype and ethnic orgin. we go back into court in june of 05 and I am going to knock him dead on his ass with this proof. You asked me why I even wanted Steve to know well I figure that my kids should know who there family is and I thought Steve would like to know he has more family out there. The relation is distant at best he is a second cousin to my two kids. I am also doing my family tree I have been working on it for years. I had to start over I don't know how many times. So thats why I dislike the asshole so much. My hubbie has never really told anyone his story when it comes to his and Steve's so called friendship. I thought it would be good for you to read about as well. I hope this sheads some more light on the reasons why. I try to like almost everyone I meet and I use the word hate only if I really mean it. Well take care and I hope to here from you again soon.
the owner
peryhatersclub
In Perryhatersclub@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher James OBrien"
> Chris
First of all you can take your so called opinion and shuv it right
up your ass. Second who the fuck are you to tell me what to do with
my life. You are a good friend of Steve Perrys? I think you lie your
ass off. I know a hole bunch of people in the music biz and I have
never heard your name before. So you told your so called mentor about
my group He knows the guys really well you say well asshole so does
my husband. And since you are such a good friend of Steve Perrys tell
that big nosed mother fucker to bring it on. He can not sue me for my
oopinion of him and those posts were for a member of my group. IN
other words but the FUCK OUT. You don't like what I write in my posts
don't read them. I am going to continue to tell my side of the story
no matter what you say or do. You are a nobody to me and the rest of
the world. And no one cares what you have to say. Do I make myself
crystal clear?. Steve Perry is no fucking saint. I hate him for what
he did to my husband and my family. You say you wish me no ill will
what did you think I was going to do not respond to your words of
wisdome give me a fucking break oh and you have been banned from my
group so you will not be able to respond to this post. I hope you go
off somewhere and drop dead. to the other members of my group i am
sorry for my cussing in this post but this asshole really pissed me
off.
Hi All,
Just wanted to drop a note saying hello and to introduce myself. My
name is John and I am Charmaines Husband. I'm glad to see that
membership is starting to pick up. It's about time!!! Char and I have
had alot of fun putting this group together. There is also a serious
side to all this. We do truly hate, dislike, detest, abhore, and just
plain hate that man who calls himself Mr. Steve Perry. He thinks his
crap dosen't stink and that he is Gods gift to the Music industry and
to Women all across the USA and the World. He is a Ledgend in his own
mind folks. He is a Liar, A self centered, Self Seeking, Asshole that
thinks he is too good for the common folk like us. You see, I has the
Bad luck of meeting and getting to know him. I listened to his lies
and at the time believed them. And then came the fatefull day that he
was fired from Journey because he couldn't tour and promote Journey's
comeback Album "Trial By Fire". So by his own accord he slamed the
doors shut and turned his back on anyone and everyone that had
anything to do with Journey. He proceeded to contact his attorney and
put ownership blocks and royalties on any and all Journey songs
produced during his Tenure with Journey. Listen folks; He sang the
songs, and yes, Performed these songs. But does this give him
ownership over the music. Does this give him the right to dictate how
and when these songs are to be aired, Sung, Sold, or Performed? I
don't think so!!! Journey was put together by Neil Schon. Built by
Neil Schon, Managed by Neil, and is still going Thanks to Neil!! Neil
and Herbie Herbert are Journey and always will be Journey. Screw Mr.
Big Shot Perry and all he stands for. I could go on for hours with
this. But I won't!! What I will do though is leave myself open to
your questions and inquiries. Don't be afraid to ask. There is a
whole lot more to be said about Mr. Perry. I hope this group catches
on and gets the word out on him. That I would Call Poetic Justice!!!
Thanks for listening,
Hi Rhona,
Thank You for your response to my post. It sounds like you have a lot
of the same thoughts and feelings as I do concerning Journey. As far
as Mr. Perry, well, Time and information will help those thoughts
along. I'm usually not the kind of person to judge someone. I always
try to understand what makes a person act and feel the way they do.
You know, You can't judge someone until you walk a mile in thier
moccassons. [Ed: ROTFL. That's beautiful, coming from this whack.] With Steve, I was around him alot for almost 2 years. I
watched how he interacted with different people and how he treatedpeople. Let me tell you; He is very self-centered and selfish person.
The magic that was there with Journey wasn't just Steve. Steve was
part of the equation, But not the key source to that magic. The proof
is in the group now. The new music and style that they have developed
is showing all the same signs as before. They are beginning to take
off. [Ed: Apparently they don't own a copy of Generations.] Also, one of the main things that made Journey hot before is
they came out with the style of music that the public was looking for
at the time. They need to find that key again. I personally think
that they are on the right track. That is called good management and
vision. That magic came from the Neil Schon and Herbie Herbert
Combination. Now if Azoff will let Neil experiment a little and feel
his way through the public Eye, I think they will repeat the
whirlwind of the 80's. I spent a lot of time with Neil and watched
him very carfully. He knows what he's doing. Herbie saw this and let
him run. If Azoff lets him do this, Just watch and wait. It will
happen again. For Neil's sake, and his love for Journey, I hope they
do take off. A little bit more about Steve, My two step-kids are
directly related to him. We have proven this through birth and death
records and family tree geneologists. The connection comes from his
Maternal Grandmother. Her maiden name and family line are the same as
my step-kids family line on thier fathers side. We really tripped out
when all this came to light. When we tried to let Steve know, He
slaped a restraining order on Char stating that she was a mortal
threat to him and his family. The judge granted the order only
because he is a celebrity and should have the right to keep anyone he
wants away from him. All Char did was write one letter and visit the
family Grave plot. What a threat Huh??? Anyway, Here I am writing a
book again. lol... Here's one more little tidbit for the masses.
Till Soon all,
Hello to all
Hi Everyone,
How is everyone these days? We need to all start communicating here.
I know, I know!! I'm just as guilty as the rest of ya all.. LOL..
Anyway, I need some feedback from you folks. What would you like to
see happen with this group? What are you willing to do here? Maybe
set up a regular chat night. Or maybe I might just start a I hate
Steve Perry puzzle. You know, A little bit of dirt on the old man and
you all have to guess what that might be. First I will post a clue
and you can ask me a question through a post and I will post the
answer. First person who guesses the dirt fact will get something.
Come on you guys... I can't think of everything. I don't know... A
prize of some kind. Or just points to add up and show how smart you
all are. I don't know.. Help me out here. Post some suggestions and
lets start this group a rollin'. I'll be looking forward to hearing
some ideas from you.
Till soon,
Hi Kelly,
Sounds like fun?? Okay, Lets brainstorm and come up with a plan. I
think you were refering to the puzzle idea? I Like It!! Just as a Try
Out per-say, Lets Give it a shot.
Here's your Clue!!!:
Steve was an avid partier. Oh yes, very avid indeed. He loved to
drink and really get snokered. Can anyone guess what his favorite
drink might have been?
Okay folks, Start a guessin' and I will tell ya if your warm or cold.
Hello All.
thanks for listing
Hello All,
How is every little thing out there?? Great I Hope!!! Anyway, on to
business... Great response Kelly!! And you are completly right!! Now
are you ready to be confused even more?? Okay; Steve went to Heald
College in 1984-85 with myself a alot of others. Yes he already had adegree in music engineering, How he ever got that is beyond me, But
that was in 1969. Needless to say, Technology had taken leaps and
bounds in the computer and music world. Steve wanted to keep up. With
all the new developments in computers and mixing boards if you didn't
keep up with the current market, you are left behind. This is where
Steve had all his problems. He just couldn't get out of the 60's -
70's and into the 80's and upcoming new millenium. He did have alot
of advantages that he just refused to use. In Example, He was around
the new mixing boards and with experts in mixing and languages all
the time. But as he would say; "I have other business to attend to
and watching the experts work and picking their brains is not it." In
other words, When he was recording his mind was on his singing and
how the group was sounding. Herbie Herbert was, at the least a total
slave driver!! He would give them limited time and limited
engineering crew budget to get the work done. Which is why at one
point I did some sound mixing for the group. Their concert at the
shoreline ampitheatre was rittled with problems. The air traffic from
the 3 nearby international airports was creating havock with the
sound and any recording that was being done was lousy. So I stepped
in and worked a little mixing magic as I like to call it and got the
levels up to par so all the fans could hear the music and the
recording was without the air noise. A few magic tricks I taught the
crew. Herbie was a great manager in the ways of vision and where he
wanted the group to go. But financially, He was to much of a tight
wad and caused alot of problems with concert set-up and teardown. He
would always run a skelaton crew and with limited personel there were
injuries and alot of other things that would take me hours to lay out
for you. But I'm sure you get the idea. Then of course you had the
ever perfect Steve Perry who couldn't take constructive critisism of
any kind. This made for alot of Discention between the members of the
group. Ross and Steve were always at each others throats. Neil and
Steve had a very strained relationship to say the least. The only
people that Steve would appear to listen to was Jonathan and myself
and I tried to stay out of it as much as I could. At one point I was
restricted from attending the practice sessions at the warehouse in
Oakland because I got into it with Herbie. He was creating more
problems with the moral of the group than he was preventing and I let
him know about it. I tried to make him see things from a few other
points of view. After a month or two I was allowed to come back and
all seemed fogotten.
I hope this sheads some more light on the group and your questions.
Now on to the question you had about Sherrie. No, Sherrie did not
leave him while his Mother was on her death bed. Steve ordered her to
get away from him and all that was his. To which she of course
refused and stayed as close to Mary as she could without causing more
waves. As Far as Steve and Sherries Relationship, I have to be very
carfull. If Steve caught wind that I was spreading any of this on the
internet, He would come unglued and more than likely cause a lot of
problems for Char and I. So I will release a little bit at a time.
Okay? I have to watch out for my family and Steve is a BASTARD that
wouldn't hesitate to rake us over the coals. So I want to check out
the legalities of what I'm doing so I don't have any impending
problems.
So there is a little bit more from the chapters of Steve Perry.
Take Care All,
Hi Kelly,
Wow!! You are really good!!! But not quite good
enough. Not only is the city wrong but so is the
county. Sorry!! LOL.. No really, You are absolutly
correct. Sherrie was not there the whole time and
niether was Mary Which of course is what led to the
sale of the property. The sale of the property
happened in 1986. Shortly after Mary's death. Do you
remember when Sherrie and Steve split up? Oh and as
far as Marv goes. No, The VKOUYTHXX!!! Never did live
there. That is where Mary went to escape him. So now
you have to guess again. I will give this one clue. It
made for a easy comute to the place they practiced and
had their Jam sessions. Do you recall where that is??
God, If I tell you too much more, I will give it away.
Come on folks!! There has got to be some others in
this club that is willing to put their knowledge on
the line. So far Kelly is the only brave one among
you!!! Can it be I havent challenged you enough?? Or
is it that I have challenged you too much?? By these
guesses and my responses, We are opening up a whole
lot of other questions and clues. Come on people!!
Lets make this group Fun and Educational. We all need
to get to know each other and do some things together.
If we all come together, we might even be able to get
together and have a Steve Perry Put Down, Insult,
Degrade, and Expose the real man Party!! Sounds like
fun dosen't it?? But if we all stay silent and in our
little computer cubbies. What kind of PerryHaters Are
We!!!!! Please don't make Kelly, Char, & I stand alone
here!! Lets talk and share why we all hate that Man!!
I use that term loosely!!!
e Anyway Good Luck Kelly, and all else that decide to
join us.
Till the next time, Take care and I'll talk at ya
soon,
John K. Luiz, Sr. Your Moderator...
Hi All,
Okay Kelly, You are moving in almost the right direction. Tryfollowing Hwy 24 East. Now there's a clue that you can sink your
teeth into. Now remember, I need County, City, & District.
Now on to the questions of the month. Does Steve have a Daughter? And
why is he so terribly private? The answer to the first question is
Yes, he does indeed have a daughter and also 2 grandkids. One of the
reasons that most never heard about her is that Steve himself didn't
know about Charmira untill she was 16 years old. After Steve learned
about his Daughter Charmira, He went ballistic!! He started to play
the father role almost instantly. He had big plans for Charmira. He
started a college fund and, Yes, took her to Hawaii. He even tried to
get her to move to California to live with him. Charmira Balked!! She
wanted nothing to do with any of it. She is a very independant person
with ideas and morals of her own and didn't want anything handed to
her on a silver platter. She wanted to make a name for herself on her
own. Which I applaud intensely!!! This really pissed Steve off!!! He
did what he has done to everyone who dosen't see things his way... He
turned his back on her and said that you are just like your Mother.
So Charmira for the most part has gone her own way making occasional
contact with her Father to update him on her progress. To this day
Steve hasn't seen the error of his ways and he probably never will!!
I don't know if Steve has had any contact with his Grandkids or not.
As of last report, which was about 1 1/2 years ago; No he hasn't!!
What a waste huh??
Now on to the second question... Privacy... Well lets look back to
Steves life. He went from being a total nobody to a superstar in no
time at all. He took his fame like most instant celebs do. He
revelled in it for a while then the tabloids got a hold of him and
started a few rumors that were not even remotely true. They also
invaded his family life and the phones wouldn't stop ringing. The
mailbox was full to overflowing everyday. He couldn't go to the
grocery store without being mobbed or having at least 5 bodyguards
with him to stop the mobbing. He no longer had a life of his own. The
public knew when he had a hemorroid fo gods sake. The man craved and
needed some sort of normalcy in his life. When I met him, I treated
him like everyone else. I didn't get all starry eyed and I didn't ask
him a bunch of questions about his private life or his involvment
with Journey. I just plain treated him like a guy named Steve. This
shook him to the core and intrigued him. The friendship grew from
there. Then along the line he found that along with not treating him
like a superstar that I didn't agree with alot of the things that he
did and that I was my own person. So when the time came for him to be
fired. Steve turned his back on anyone and everyone that had anything
to do with Journey. Well that included me. But also with doing that,
He realized that I knew way to much about him and that I was a
cmplete liability to him if I so chose to be. That made him put the
walls up and try to erase any involvement or association with me.
Things really go a lot deeper than that. But I can't get into that
right now. Like I said one time before. I have to be very careful on
what I reveil here. For everyone sake as well as my family's and my
own. I'm sure you all understand this. So a little at a time folks, A
little at a time.
Till soon ya all,
Alright Kelly,
She guesses it and doesn't even know it!!! Yes indeed
it is: Orinda, Contra Costa County, and it is in
Sleepy Hollow. Sleepy Hollow was named because it so
much resembled Sleepy Hollow Mass.. It has a Huge wall
all the way around the area with guarded gates on each
of it's four sides. The cheapest home in sleepy Hollow
right now sells at about 2.5 Million. Steve's place
was on about 5 acres and had the main house with a
indoor swimming pool and Atrium. 18 Bedrooms and
Baths.A living room, Family Room, Rec Room, Kitchen,
Entertainment Kitchen, Pantry, Wine Cellar, Basement
Studio with soundproof Instrument booths, 1 for piano,
1 for lead guitar, 1 for Bass, 1 for drums, and last
but not least, 1 for lead vocals. It had a state of
the art 32 track Lem mixing board with all the
peripherals. CD, 16 track tape, Burner for video as
well as audio. Ect, Ect..... The other house was
strictly for VIP entertainment and Business
gatherings. It had a Video arcade, Billiard room w/8
full size pool tables, Wet Bar, Mini Kitchen, Mens and
Womens Lounges with 3 beds and room dividers in each.
State of the art sound and Video systems. All this was
surrounded by about 3 acres of Manicured Grass and
pine trees. With a view of the highway and Lafayette
and Walnut Creek and Concord off in the distance. All
in all a very beautiful estate that Steve didn't
appreciate and took for granted. That is one Steve's
major problems. He has forgotten where he came from
and what it was like to be the nobody and not have
really anything but what you've gotten by your own
blood, Sweat, and Tears. When he sold the place, I was
told that he got a measly 4.25 Million for it. It was
appraised at over 6 Million. He just didn't give a
shit. It was time to unload it and is just what he
did.
I think that through all this that I've been telling
you guys over the past 12 months. You should be
getting a very good idea why I dislike and have a
honest hatred for the man. He makes me ill. He's
better than everyone, He thinks he is smarter than
everyone, and he thinks he got the world by the balls.
Well I have got news for the little prick. Before I
pass away, I will make sure The world knows the real
Steve Perry. I just don't quite know how I'm going to
do that yet. Where he can't deny it or bury it with
all his millions. But mark my words all... I will find
that way!!! I will!!!
Have a great week everyone and I will have another
game clue for you soon.
Bye for now,John K. Luiz, Sr. Your Moderator...
Hi Everyone,
I'm not quite sure why you responded that way JohnS. I
answered quite concisely as to why they split up. But
you are right about Steve. He doesn't know how to be
close to anyone. In order to get close, you have to be
truthful. This is a very strong problem that Steve
has. He continuously lies to people to maintain his
privacy. Then when people get to close they discover
the lies and call him on the carpet for them. At this
time Steve has a choice.... Show the true him or lie
some more to hide the previous lies to hide the
previous lies and so on and so on..... I am one of
those people that called him on the carpet and got the
old heave ho out of his life. One hell of a way to
live. I feel sorry for the old fool. I really do.
Take that one the bank my friend. I have references
that back up my account.
Till soon ya all,
Hi Destiny,
Whoa Turbo!!!!! Let's slow down a bit here. Yes, He
was in a college lab class with me and he was trying
to keep up with the current Computer languages so he
could do his mixing and computer work more
effectively. Exactly how are you related to the Perry
line? My wife is related by a previous marriage. So my
two step kids are cousins to Steve. No, he didn't
write a song for, or dedicated to me. He just plain
and simply turned his back on me and deny ed my total
existence like he did to so many others. But my anger
goes much deeper than that. You see, My wife and I
both lived in Hanford for a few years. During that
time we got to know Jonnie Mae Baker. Jonnie was the
mother of Doug Baker. Steve's Best Friend. Jonnie
practicaly raised Steve and was like a second Mother
to him. When my wife tried to get in touch with Steve
through proper channels, [Ed: like showing up at his door and at his MOM'S GRAVE, HELLO] Steve slapped a restraining
order on her for no reason what so ever. This
restraining Order stopped us from visiting Jonnie andfrom going to the cemetery where his Mom is buried to
leave flowers or anything else. I knew his Mom very
well and was very close with her. During the time of
the restraining order, Jonnie Mae Died!! We couldn't
go to the funeral to pay our last respects or see the
rest of the family. Do you think Steve attended the
funeral?? NO!! He didn't even show his face, Send
flowers, call the family, or anything else. The
bastard did this just to get his licks in on me!! I am
a major liability to him and his career. As well as
his standing in the publics eye. When the time is
right, Steve will fall and he is going to fall hard!!
I'm just bidding my time. He is going to make the
wrong move and open that door and can of worms that is
going to destroy him. This I know to be true and This
I promise to myself and the rest of the world. This
time will come. As sure as the earth turns and the sun
rises every day. His time will come.
Now lets hear your story. I look forward to it.
Till Soon,
Hi Kelly,
Okay, On to some questions here. The reason that he
bought such a large house was: 1.) Because he could!!
2.) He felt that when he entertained. He would have
rooms for his guests to crash out if needed. 3.) He
was probably compensating for something.. LOL.. I
don't know... Also the other building was strictly for
entertaining VIP guests and music execs. This place
had everything you can imagine in it. Pool room
( billiards ) Video arcade, Kitchen and dining areas,
Dance floor and Stage or disco, About 8 rooms for
sleeping or can be converted for conferences or
meetings, ect..
Question 2: Yes he does still maintain a home in the
bay area. It's in Larkspur, Ca. It's a modest 3
bedroom or so. Nothing extravagant at all. He lives
there during the summer months when it's cooler than
San Diego. He spends the winter months in San Diego
except for Thanksgiving, Christmas, & New Years. Those
times he spends in Maui.
Question 3: Yes he is a for real Short Shit... He is
about 5'5 1/2" to 5'6" if he is wearing heals. He is
extreamly short. When he was hooked on Cocaine and
very skinny. The guys and I when we would be out
walking and a wind would come up. We would tell him toquick grab a pole!!! This used to piss him off
something fierce. LOL...
Sorry to cut this short but I am extreamly tired and
need to get to bed. Write some more soon and I will
get as many posts in as I can before I go in.
Take Care All and Have a great week,
John K. Luiz, Sr. Your Moderator...
Hi Dusty,
Yes he had several addictions that he was fighting.
This was primarily in the 80's. Mary knew of his
problems. How could she miss them?? He actually got
rather blatant with his partying. I called it total
disrespect myself. Anyone who cared about him was on
his case about it. This is what finally got him to go
to rehab and clean up. He has fallen off the wagon a
few times since then. Mostly with alcohol though. I
personally think that he is using again. He has got
that old familiar appearance and look about him. I
have no proof though. So that is all speculation on my
part. In some of the interview pics and other
unexpected pics that were taken recently. He has what
looks like his old fallback drink in his hands. The
Vodka Collins!! If asked he would probably say it was
a virgin collins. But I sincerely doubt it. Oh and
back to the old days with Sherrie.... Well Sherrie was
using right along with him. But not to the extent that
he was and plus she quit long before he did and didn't
need a rehab to do it.
Anyway, That is about enough of that. Any more
questions... Shot them our way and we will answer them
to the best of our knowledge. Take care all and talk
at ya soon,
John...
From: Donna Belarus I'll try and keep this short, although it's hard...there's just so, so
much to go over. First, let me thank you guys for months of amusement.
Everybody's got to hate something, which is fine. Too bad you guys didn't
just stop at hating! I saw most of the posts here on a couple of different
websites...most of this list has been made public, which I'm sure you guys
already know.
Let me first mention that it must be the biggest coincidence ever that
John worked for Journey in some capacity...and then ends up marrying Char,
whose kids are supposedly related to Perry. That's just...a really amazing
coincidence.
>>So my two step kids are cousins to Steve.>>
And I'm still trying to figure out what sort of difference that makes...?
Why would you want any connection to this guy you hate? It doesn't matter
if there's a blood relation regardless of how tenuous; it doesn't matter
if you worked for or were close to Perry or the band; I can't for the life
of me figure out where you have the right to anything from him.
Acknowledgement, friendship, anything. He behaves like an asshole. He
lies. Everyone already knows that, who cares? Everyone's known that
forever. Common sense would dictate that you disassociate yourselves from
him as FAST as possible. He's not even in the public eye anymore, you
can't even call him a celebrity. He's so far out of the public eye that
it's hard to even call him a washed up rock star. So the entire basis of
this list is to make sure everyone finds out how awful Perry is, which all
started when he blocked you guys out of his lives. So he was an asshole
before, but not enough of one to make you angry until you couldn't get
anything from him anymore. Now I get it.
Oh, and FYI - not one thing you guys have doled out as supposed inside
knowledge has actually BEEN inside knowledge. Or even particularly new.
You guys don't actually seem to know anything. But, some of us remember
Char's website, so no surprise.
>>He just plain and simply turned his back on me and deny ed my total
existence like he did to so many others.>>
Well, relationships come and go for everyone. You obviously weren't the
only one he did this to. Why do you feel this rejection is so important?
Were you in love with him? That's the only thing that makes any sense -
the lengths you've gone to, here. You wanted to fuck him and he turned you
down. Oh, and Char? Don't complain about how much you don't like swearing.
John swears in the list all the time, and anyone who uses the word 'hate'
so freely like you do...well, stop being such a hypocrite. Being bitter,
halfway illiterate and obsessive is bad enough.
>>This restraining Order stopped us from visiting Jonnie and from going
to the cemetery where his Mom is buried to leave flowers or anything
else. >>
You have no inherent right to be visiting Mary's grave anyway, even
supposing there's a distant relationship. You wouldn't have bothered with
any of this if Perry hadn't been in Journey. You lived in Hanford for a
few years, by your own admission, and got to know Jonnie May. It sounds to
me like you only got to know her because she was the mother of Steve's
best friend. That's not appropriate behavior - that's manipulative. Did
that poor, poor lady know you were only nice to her to try and get close
to Steve? Again, you just want something from someone who doesn't want to
give it to you. That's just odd. And a little scary.
>When my wife tried to get in touch with Steve through proper channels,
Steve slapped a restraining
> order on her for no reason what so ever.>>
Hey John, guess what: your wife's idea of proper channels may not be the
same idea other folks have. By your wife's account of things, she wanted
acknowledgement from Steve that her kids are his family members. Why? So
the kids can say they're related to a retired singer who was only popular
during the 80's? That's not a banner I'd want my kids carrying around.
Nobody gets anything out of that. When a guy is acting like he wants
nothing to do with you, why on earth would you keep pushing it? To make
sure everyone find out what an asshole Perry is? Um...don't worry, if he's
that bad, lots of people already know. A locked Yahoo group won't really
do it. A locked Yahoo group with 19 members.
>> Do you think Steve attended the funeral?? NO!! He didn't even show his
face, Send
> flowers, call the family, or anything else. The bastard did this just
to get his licks in on me!! I am
> a major liability to him and his career.>>
All I see is that you believe people who have no contact with you actually
take time to ACT based on how it might affect YOU. Your statement above is
one of the most self-absorbed I've ever seen. Do you really think Perry
has bothered to do anything just to get your goat? You're a liability to
yourself, not Perry's career, the way you're behaving. In case you hadn't
noticed...Perry doesn't even have a career. And I kind of doubt he thinks
about you at all, despite your most fervent hopes. Wouldn't it be great if
he got up every morning and thought, "How can I piss John and Char off
today?"
And now for the best section of all:
>>As long as he keeps his distance and dosen't mess with me or mine any
more than he already has. He gets to continue living in the soft light.
The moment he crosses that line.-------> It's ONNNNNNNN!!!! And I
wouldn't stop until he was done for!!! Char goes back to court in June.
So we will see what happends. Like I said " it would be in his best
interest to let this go and not persue it further." It won't be pretty
if he does pesue it further!! Not Pretty At All!!!!!>>
And here's where you crossed the line, John. All of the above constitutes
what lawyers call 'an unspecified threat' toward Perry. That's not a good
idea. The state of CA takes stuff like this very seriously. Trust me.
Including Perry's lawyers (the firm of Manatt, Phelps, and Phillips,
located in L.A....as I'm sure you both well know). Also, by using
defamation and making threats, you've violated the TOS of Yahoo Groups
(see http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ which states:
You agree to not use the Service to:
a. upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content
that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious,
defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy,
hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.)
Don't be too surprised when Yahoo shuts you down, but they may not
depending on whether Perry's lawyers want to see the whole list 'as
presented' online.
>>As Far as Steve and Sherries Relationship, I have to be very carfull. If
Steve caught wind that I was spreading any of this on the internet, He
would come unglued and more than likely cause a lot of problems for Char
and I.>>
Well, technically, you've caused your own problems by not being 'very
carfull'. Hating the guy is one thing, but threatening him is another.
I'll guess now you'll get to find out! Good luck to you both. Oh, and by
all means, respond with righteous outrage...any further posts on this list
will just add to whatever the authorities get to see.
Well Donna you sure did have a lot to say. Are you
done? I hope so. First off let me tell you a thing or
too since you seem to think you know it all. My Kids
katelynn and Jonathan are sp second cousins. Second I
knew Johnny mae baker and we did not even discuss
steve perry. Third you seen to be missquoting John and
myself through your hole little what ever it was you
were trying to prove post. Fourth and most important
you are going to be banned from our group and we are
happy to see you go. You don't know shit and you are
aparently to stupid to know fact from fiction. I don't
give a rats ass what you have to say. There are things
we both know about steve that you don't need to know.
My husband did not threaten steve perry at anytime.You
are right about one thing we maybe wasting our time
but in the long run people who are really interested
in being part of this group will know the truth. And
your little comment about my husband being in love
with steve perry go fuck off ok. You will never
understand why we hate him the way we do. You don't go
around hurting people and destroying there lives and
exspect those people not to retaliate. We don't need
people like you here anyway. As for yahoo if they
contact us we will talk to them but we have done
nothing wrong. You know Donna lets have steve perry
slap a stay away order on you and see how you would
react not nicely I am sure. We try our best to run
this group the right way. People ask and we tell
simple as that. If there is anyone else here in our
group that would like to follow Donna&Janet out the
door please be my guest don't let the door hit you
were the good lord slit ya. You don't know shit about
myself and John who the hell are you to sit in
judgement of us. You are nobody thats who and as far
as you little intelligence comment if you had any you
would have kept your shit to yourself. Insted of
making your self look like a total fool. Well thats
all I have to say to you.
Charmaine Luiz
From: "John K. Luiz, Sr."
Hi All,
It has come to our attention that we do have spies and sabotours in
our group. What has been happening is someone or someones have been
taking our posts and putting them out on other web sites. But this is
not the worst of it. This person or persons have been taking our
posts and rewording them to make them appear as threats to Mr SP. The
only way that this can happen, To the best of my knowledge, is some
of us had the option of recieving emails from the group. [Ed: um, yeah...that's what happens when people sign up for a group...] In other
words, anytime one of us would post. The post would be forwarded to
their email addresses. This would make it possible for the person to
reconstruct the entire post. so now the option of recieving emails
from the group has been suspended. Also the required post is going to
be strictly adhered to. If anybody doesn't post this in the next
week, I will have no choice but to bounce them from the group. I
still meant what I said in the earlier posts about standing with you
and behind all that is said. Donna AKA: Cali_wildfire is one of the
individuals who was taking coments and segments out of posts and
using them to her will by taking them out of context. She would do
this by exerpting a sentence and not including the rest of the
thought. Thereby causing the coment to look like a threat or
something totally out of the original meaning. This person has left
the group and also been banned from ever returning. I would hope that
the rest of you are not looking to sabotage or hurt the group like
she was. If there is anybody else that is here for other reasons than
to be with like minded people that dislike SP. Then here is your
chance to leave without being put on front street to explain your
actions. Believe me when I say that I will find out who else, if any,
is here to cause problems. And when I do, expect to be put on front
street. Not only in our group but to the web sites that you have
taken our words to. This won't be very difficult folks. It's just a
matter of checking the other web sites and a process of elimination.
Thank You for your time,
John K. Luiz, Sr, Your Moderator.
Final Haters listmember tally: now 6, from a high of 21 this summer. Yahoo Groups' abuse monitors have been notified as of 10/25/05 and are investigating.
Make fun of that rock star all you like. But
> Okay, so your kids are related to Per. Good for them. Is this post
> the reason for all the fuss? I see why you're both so pissed, but I
> still think you both need to let go of the hate. And no, I'm not a
> "life is beautiful" nutcase. I'm a serious musician with a good
career.
>
> Big thing? I don't think so, not really. I have a very close
friend
> who is second cousin to a very famous composer for films. She was
an
> accident, and they put her up for adoption. When she tried to
contact
> them, they denied her and told her to get lost. She figures that
they
> thought she was after them for their money. Not likely--she's a
noted > author in her own right.
>
> So rather than go thru' the pain and hassle of what you're doing,
she
> let things be. She did change her name to the birth family name,
> athough she still writes under her penname. She is satisfied
knowing
> who she is. She has her own fame and is happy with that.
>
> You need to see Perry's side of things. He's had a lot of people
> stalking him and hassling him his whole life. How the hell does he
> know who you really are? And what are you trying to prove? It
sounds> like you're doing more than proving your relationship, you sound
like
> you want a piece of his fame and money.
>
> Perry is Perry. Let him live in peace and go your own way. What's
to
> gain with all this? A claim to fame? I think you've gone out of
your
> way to hurt a guy who has brought enjoyment to millions of people
the
> world over.
>
> I wish you no ill will. I just think you're in need of some serious
> councelling.
>
From: "John K. Luiz, Sr."
Date: Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:23 pm
Subject: Hello to everyone...
John...
From: "John K. Luiz, Sr."
Date: Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:27 pm
Subject: Thank You...
John...
From: "charmaine357"
Date: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:22 pm
Subject: Betrayal
Some of you may wonder what I am talking about in this post. I
trusted a certain person with some pretty private stuff in my life.
And she repaid me by going to Steve's lawyers and telling them
everything that I had said to her in privacy. I thought I could trust
this person I was very wrong. She is one of the reasons why Steve
Perry has the stay away order against me. This person was good
friends with Lora Beard of Fan Aysalum. I guess she felt that she
needed to protect Steve from me. She put a call into miss Beard and
knowing full well that Miss Beard whould contact eather Mr Perry or
his laywers. I am still in shock over this I just found out for sure
it was this person. I would try to ask her why but I would never get
the truth from her if I did. I thought she was a good friend of mine
guess not. This person has told me that she is good friends with
Steve Perry's insurence agent and that this women has givin her
private information about Mr Perry. I am not a vindictive person by
nature but I really do wonder what Mr Perry's laywers would thinkabout this if I was to give them the info I was told. If any of you
are wondering what it was that was said to this person I told her my
plans to try and get in touch with Mr Perry and why. She was the one
who gave me Mr Perry address in Larkspur california. Bottom line I
will never trust anyone again when it comes to my personal life. I
just trust to easy I guess. anyway I just neeeded to get this off my
chest. If any of you have a response to this post please feel free to
respond.
From: "John K. Luiz, Sr."
Date: Thu Oct 7, 2004 9:26 pm
Subject: Hello All...
John...
From: "John K. Luiz, Sr."
Date: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: Hello All...
From: "charmaine357"
Date: Wed Mar 2, 2005 4:35 pm
Subject: Steve
How is everyone out there in perry haters land? Good I hope. John and
I are fine. Kelly John wanted to amswer your questions himself. He
will be on later today. I just wanted to take some time and talk to
the group. As most of you know I truly dislike Steve Perry. He has
made my life really hard these past three years. I am supposed to go
back into court on june 5th of this year to see if Steve would like
to contiue the stay away order against me. I have called Steve's
lawyer and have gotton no responce from her as of yet. I think Steve
has not givin me another thought since that order has been in effect.
I was unbale to attend a good friends funeral, this order that he has
on me goes on my record for life. And to think all I wanted from him
was a chance to let him know that he has two cousions out here.
Anyway it takes alot of energy to keep up my anger towards him. I
have to let it go at some point. I truly believe that we will meet
one day and its not going to be pretty when we do. I truly am amazed
at how much he thinks of himself. The WOF is a great example of that.
He was not invited to attend and he shows up anyway. Then to add
insult to injury Neil asks Steve to join them on there summer tour. I
truly would like to know what Neil was smoking that day. It would
have made my day if Neil or anyone from that group would have told
Steve to go fly a kite or to take a hike. John and I just this past
weekend went down to Oakland California for a journey concert. It was
to help raise money for the NYCL. The concert was rocking of course.
We had a great time. I like Journey just the way they are with out
Steve big nose Perry. The other Steve is just as good maybe even
better in my eyes.
the owner perry haters group
From: "John K. Luiz, Sr."
Date: Wed Mar 2, 2005 7:17 pm
Subject: In Response...
John...
From: John Luiz
Date: Fri May 6, 2005 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Perryhatersclub] Re: The Game!!!
From: "John K. Luiz, Sr."
Date: Thu May 12, 2005 11:23 am
Subject: The Saga Continues...
John K. Luiz, Sr. Your Moderator...
From: John Luiz
Date: Wed May 18, 2005 1:08 am
Subject: Re: [Perryhatersclub] Re: What A Guess!!!!!!!
From: John Luiz
Date: Sun May 29, 2005 12:07 am
Subject: Re: [Perryhatersclub] Re: The Game!!!
John K. Luiz, Sr. Your Moderator...
From: John Luiz
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Perryhatersclub] Steve Perry
John K. Luiz, Sr. Your Moderator...
From: John Luiz
Date: Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Perryhatersclub] Re: Okay Everyone...
From: John Luiz
Date: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Perryhatersclub] Re: Okay Everyone...
Someone finally points out the glaring errors!
Date: Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Perryhatersclub]
>> When the time is right, Steve will fall and he is going to fall hard!!
> I'm just bidding my time. He is going to make the wrong move and open
that door and can of worms that is going to destroy him. This I know to
be true and This I promise to myself and the rest of the world. This
time will come. As sure as the earth turns and the sun rises every day.
His time will come.>>
Here's where Char forgets which ID she's posting under.
From: John Luiz
Date: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: [Perryhatersclub] Re: *************IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL MEMBERS*************
John tries some damage control, not realizing the threats have already been sent to Fanasylum in full.
Date: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:19 am
Subject: Information on the Special Notice To All Members.....
Final thoughts: 'front street' is the dumbest thing anyone's ever said, and John and Char are really sad. John still doesn't realize that just because he pretends he never posted those things, they don't magically go away. And pretending someone has purposely re-worked his posts won't work either.